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Perennial Fruit Trees
November 22, 2010
11:28 am
Satish
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Hi Everyone:

Wouldn't it be nice to have a few perennial trees that regularly give you some fruit that you really cherish? Think of lime/lemon, papaya, mango, gauva, granat apple or even apple itself!! We have had a 'wild' kind of lime in the garden for many years. It produces bountiful harvests each year and is really refreshing in "Nimbu paani". Sometime ago I saw seedless 'lime' in a friend's garden and was given to understand that the plants for the same are only available with IARI. After many unsuccessful attempts I finally got six of these plants this monsoon and they are all doing fine so far. These plants are expected to bear fruit in the next season itself and I am really looking forward to seeing the beauties! Some of you might have hear of the Papaya variety called "PUSA NANHE" developed by the Pusa Institute, Pusa, Bihar. Again after consistent efforts over a few years I was able to get some seeds of this variety this year. I was told by the people at IARI not to expect more than 60% germination. I sowed 55 seeds and 48 germinated! 87%!! You can imagine how elated I was. THEN CAME THE DISASTER. After developing for sometime, the seedlings started whithering away. All but a few were gone. I was disheartened to the point of giving up on papaya. But I sowed some more seeds. This time I got only 30% germination. May be it has something to do with the time of the year. The growth was very slow and in fact stopped totally. I transplanted 16 seedlings into the garden about a week ago and some have started growing again. May be some of you experience in Papaya and can advise me on how I could have avoided the disaster and how I can care for the rather stunted seedlings. I will appreciate your help. Regards.

November 23, 2010
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Hi Satish,

I share your interest on this. Have some lemon and sweet lime plants grown from seeds I had casually thrown in the pots. I have heard a myth that lemon does not bear fruit when grown from a seed. You really need a grafting or cutting to do this??? But I saw my Mom's lemon grown from seed had a solitaire tiny flower this winter. So I am really an optimist on the topic.

A couple of years ago, I had thrown some wine grape seeds casually in a hibiscus pot. In the cushion of the mulch and shade of the plant, I was surprised to see a tiny leaf spring out of ground. Unfortunately, I lost this baby when I was away on a vacation. This year, I am trying to repeat that story with Namdhari's delicious grapes. No idea whether it will grow or will it ever yield delicious fruit as what I am enjoying right now. Going to experiment. That's it. I love doing this and watching how things grow and behave.

I have a pineapple plant growing from the head of a pineapple we bought a few months ago. I am surprised after 3-4 months see tiny leaflets/plantlets peering out of the thick canopy of the original crown just about 3-4 weeks ago. Again watching how this baby grows and delivers, Hopefully!!!!

MG

November 23, 2010
10:35 pm
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mgardener said:

Hi Satish,

I share your interest on this. Have some lemon and sweet lime plants grown from seeds I had casually thrown in the pots. I have heard a myth that lemon does not bear fruit when grown from a seed. You really need a grafting or cutting to do this??? But I saw my Mom's lemon grown from seed had a solitaire tiny flower this winter. So I am really an optimist on the topic.

A couple of years ago, I had thrown some wine grape seeds casually in a hibiscus pot. In the cushion of the mulch and shade of the plant, I was surprised to see a tiny leaf spring out of ground. Unfortunately, I lost this baby when I was away on a vacation. This year, I am trying to repeat that story with Namdhari's delicious grapes. No idea whether it will grow or will it ever yield delicious fruit as what I am enjoying right now. Going to experiment. That's it. I love doing this and watching how things grow and behave.

I have a pineapple plant growing from the head of a pineapple we bought a few months ago. I am surprised after 3-4 months see tiny leaflets/plantlets peering out of the thick canopy of the original crown just about 3-4 weeks ago. Again watching how this baby grows and delivers, Hopefully!!!!

MG


Hi MG:

I wish I could be as enterprising as you! I have bought lime (Nimbu) plants from various nurseries in the past but they have eithernot survived to bloom or produced very low quality fruit forcing me to destroy them. I have seen the Lime from the IARI plants. They are really very good and that is why I wanted these plants. In fact I am thinking of getting some more fruit trees from the IARI next year. I have sown Papaya seeds earlier but have never been satisfied with either the quality or the quantity produced. Pusa Nanhe is talked about both for the quality as well as the quantity it produces. Thats the reason I wanted to try it. Am tempted to try Annanas like you. Can you give some detailed instructions please? Jackfruit? Any idea? Regards.

November 24, 2010
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For Pineapples, just chop the head off with approximately half inch of the fruit below (Mine had almost no fruit portion attached, that's why I believe it took months to settle and start visible growth). Put the fruit below the ground. Water moderately everyday. You may not see anything for months. Be patient. It's very hardy. And you can understand that if the leaves stay grayish green and natural (even if a few wither away browning), it's not dead (very obviously, it's rooting below). Keep faith and wait and watch. Feed it occasionally.

As for jack fruit, better start with a seed that has sprouted inside the fruit. I have seen seeds like that growing nicely. Given that I stay in an apartment, I don't have space so never tried them myself though on these tall stuff ever.

Wish you good luck trying these things. While you're after some of these, why not try drum sticks? Some of them are dwarf varieties that start fruit at younger age and lesser height.

MG

November 25, 2010
12:38 am
Satish
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mgardener said:

For Pineapples, just chop the head off with approximately half inch of the fruit below (Mine had almost no fruit portion attached, that's why I believe it took months to settle and start visible growth). Put the fruit below the ground. Water moderately everyday. You may not see anything for months. Be patient. It's very hardy. And you can understand that if the leaves stay grayish green and natural (even if a few wither away browning), it's not dead (very obviously, it's rooting below). Keep faith and wait and watch. Feed it occasionally.

As for jack fruit, better start with a seed that has sprouted inside the fruit. I have seen seeds like that growing nicely. Given that I stay in an apartment, I don't have space so never tried them myself though on these tall stuff ever.

Wish you good luck trying these things. While you're after some of these, why not try drum sticks? Some of them are dwarf varieties that start fruit at younger age and lesser height.

MG


Hi MG:

Thanks a lot for the info regarding growing Pineapple. Does it have to be in a very sunny position? It is awesome to even think of a jackfruit seed sprouting within the fruit itself! I will rather try get a plant from the IARI for convenience sake. I know that shows me to be lazy but I really believe in not reinventing the wheel again and again! Thanks & regards.

November 25, 2010
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Hi Satish,

Pineapple doesn't necessarily need very bright sun at least at the initial stages. My plant is so small that the cutie little plant-lets are just showing out. So I am not sure how big it will grow, and whether it will bear fruit at all in my balcony. My balcony is on the north side of the house, hence during winter, my plants don't get any direct sunlight at all. Still it's growing without a problem.

As for Jackfruit, if you buy a plant, it may be a better bargain as you also find a graft that combines the juicy texture and softness of fruit than the chewy fibrous structure of the real juicy variety. The seed cannot do this for you. So go ahead if IARI has something on the offer.

MG

November 26, 2010
2:38 pm
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Hi MG:

What's the best time to plant pineapple 'heads'? As advised by you I will try getting a Jackfruit plant from IARI. The quality of their plants is really wonderful. Thanks a lot and regards.

November 28, 2010
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Not sure if there's season for it. You can do it as soon as you can after chopping it off the fruit.

Wish you the best.

MG

December 14, 2010
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Hello satish and MG

what or who are IARI – what kind of trees are available from them – I am in HYD AP so any local contact.

I love watching when something grows from seed – what a surprise – I mean you never know when it will emerge. With that kind of craziness I have 5 mango plants, 2 chiloo, 5 custard apple, and a assortment of lime, lemon, musambi not sure what they are I had a litchi seeds growing but lost while on vacation – all are from seeds after consuming the fruit.

So I have to find a place for them soon as there is no place at my home have medium sized ie two year old tress already –

Always been facinated with grape plants and pineapple – maybe will try some soon.

lemon or lime are also very picky – two year old plant no flowers nothing so any info from this IRAI is welcome.

I have 3 drumstick seeds planted not sure when they will emerge – waiting – any idea about the drumstick

Would be so much easier to get 3-4 yera old plants and have them yeilding right away instead of this – please grow routine -

saw a mango tree about 8 feet tall for 800 rs

hapy fruiting

madhavi

December 16, 2010
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Madhavi,

IARI is Indian Agricultural Research Institute in Delhi. In HYD, you can check out the local agricultural university. They all stock fruit trees for a decent price and also w.r.t to varietal purity.
Wish I could grow some trees soon (ofcourse in containers :) .

December 19, 2010
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December 19, 2010
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Hi Madhavi, Satish,

Finally, I have activated my drip system and hoping that it will help early demise of my future grape saplings. I have saved the seeds but not yet planted them. I am yet to automate the system but hope to do it in a few weeks from now.

I am a crazy fan of throwing seeds and watching them grow after god knos how long. My Pineapple is proving a hardy. Growing slowly but being very robust at survival. I am surely hoping it to develop well over the course of time. Not at all sure though of whether my Lemon or Sweet lime will ever bear flowers or fruit.

On drumsticks, I do suggest looking for some dwarf varieties, esp. if you're growing things in a pot on the terrace or a balcony. I am sure they are out there as researched by Indian Ag. Institutes; but not sure on what they are called.

My collection though mainly contains flowring plants.

MG

December 22, 2010
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Regarding drumsticks, I was told that PKM-1 can be successfully grown in pots. Haven't tried it though.

January 17, 2011
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There seems to be some truth to the belief that most fruit trees do not bear fruit if grown from seed. I have two such lime plants that have been there for years but have never borne a flower! (Even then I have not had the heart to uproot them). On the other hand, there are the  six lime seedlings that I got from the IARI last August. They were about 18" tall when I planted them. Now they are about 30" high. One of them is already bearing flowers!! What is surprising is that the one that is showing flowers has grown the least. I am told that the other plants which are still continuing to show new leaves and branches each day will bear flowers very soon. Well, I can only keep my fingers crossed! My effort to grow Papaya from seeds obtained from the IARI was a disaster. I got a germination rate of almost 90% and everyone thought we were going to have a deluge of Papaya! I even started worrying about where to plant the seedlings. Soon after the monsoon gradually all perished. I sowed some more and this time got a germination rate of only 30%! Something to do with the temperature I presume. But even these eventually died. I am going to sow some more in February after the weather warms up a little. Regards.

Satish

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