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ramnath
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Hi, I am a beginner trying out a bit of balcony gardening in Gurgaon. My interest is mainly flowers. I hope to grow some this winter season. Any suggestions? Can someone help me with a sowing calendar for flowers? I did find one for veggies here, but could find one for flowers.

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Hi Ramnath,

Welcome to the group. Even I am trying my hand in balcony Gardning and dream to have a balcony filled with flowers. For these winters I have plans to grow merigold and chrysanthemum (guldavari). I am growing Marigold from seeds and chrysanthemum cuttings are easily available in a nursery or you can buy them from a roadside vendor.

I am also trying some vegetables like bitter guard and bottle guard.. let's see how it works. would love to share my experience with you. Keep me posted about your plans for the coming winter.

Keep in touch..

Have a colorful gardening..

Viny..

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Thanks Viny. I have started Gazania, Marigold, Calendula from seed. All have sprouted over the last 2 weeks. Have also sown Aster and Phlox. Hope to have a colorful balcony this winter.

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ramnath said:

Hi, I am a beginner trying out a bit of balcony gardening in Gurgaon. My interest is mainly flowers. I hope to grow some this winter season. Any suggestions? Can someone help me with a sowing calendar for flowers? I did find one for veggies here, but could find one for flowers.

I think you have to search a nursery for your garden from where you can purchase plants and fertilizer for your plant. And from their you will definitely get more help as compare to any form...

Hope you can understand...

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Welcome ramnath, 

 

where are you from in Gurgaon? I am from Sec 56. I am also looking fwd to a colorful balcony this summer. Have sown some ornamentals and they have germinated. Waiting for some more germination.

viz Phlox, Aster, Corn Flower, Balsam, Zinnia, African Marigold, dhalia, Pansy, hybrid chilli, marmande tomatoes, lemon basil etc.... 

 

Let me know if you need any help. And please let me know what soil are you using? Were you able to get good quality vermicompost or manure from somewhere? I am in dearth of some good soil. 

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I got vermicompost from a nearby nursery and cocopeat from Sadar Bazaar, Gurgaon. Using a mixture of the two. Im not sure if they are of good quality as only time will tell. I once got organic manure from the nursery opposite Bristol Hotel (think it is Bhavna Nursery).

You seem to have a pretty good portfolio. Have you built any trellis/cage for tomatoes? I have a some cherry tomato seedlings.

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Ha ha... Portfolio? Are you into stocks... well I am not doing good in either places... stocks and stalks both.... lol

Just keep experimenting from GGs blog and google. For me, I got glued to gardening just coz it seemed like a big science experiment to me...

Honestly, I have been in it for last 2-3 months and I still don't know completely understand the mechanics of good soil. Terribly confused between Compost/ Vermicompost/ Okhla Khaad/ Dried cow dung Manure wali khaad and the likes.

Which shop did you go to in Sadar? Krishna beej bhandar or Goyal seeds?

Could you tell me more about the Vermicompost and organic manure you got? What was their price/ quantity and what does the packet say? If it yields good results, I might wanna try that.

Meanwhile I got an excellent source of Bonemeal. Need to procure that, that's a good organic provider of Potassium and Phosphorous, mainly the latter i guess.

Nah, no cage for tomatoes, they are still babies, in seeding trays. I am short of pots as well. need to make a trip to a nursery to get more pots etc. Even I have sown some cherry tomatoes. They have germinated. Will move them to a bigger pot later. How big are your cherry tomatoes?

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Well, performance is not much different here 😉

 

I too have been into this for the last 3-4 months and experimenting with potting medium. I read that cocopeat + vermicompost in equal parts is suitable, but I'm begining to feel the plants are not firm as the medium is too loose/ soft.

 

I use the 5kg vermicompost green coloured packet commonly available in nurseries. I buy them from the nursery in golf course road extn (opp close apts). They cost Rs.50. I got 5 kg cocopeat block from Bansal Khad Beej Bhandar in basai road for Rs.120. The organic manure cost about 50 for a 1 or 2 kg packet. Im not really able to tell if they made a difference.

 

Last year I just mixed some compost and brown soil and sowed marigold. It germinated and grew fast and flowered beautifully all winter. I hardly took any care of that plant. I have also planted hibiscus and butterfly pea (aparajita) in a vermicompost+cocopeat (1:1) mix and they are doing well.

 

My cherry tomatoes are still seedlings. Need to move them to bigger containers. The roadside vendors in MG road (on the left hand side before qutub minar when you go from gurgaon) have a good collection of pots and tubs and baskets.

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I have had mixed reviews about Vermicompost. Basically, what I have learnt from the net is that vermicompost is compost created by worms over a period of time. Decomposed organic matter. If no worms/ earthworms involved then its called just compost. Such compost is rich in nutrients which plants require. This when mixed with Coco peat is a good mix.

 

However, the green yellow orange poly bags that we get from the Local nurseries isn't actually vermicompost. Its not even compost. Its basically litter, stray dried/ moist leaves and foliage crushed into a powder and sold. Doesn't have much nutrient value.

 

If you go to Sadar they will tell you the same. In fact you won't find any good Seeds shop selling these bags in Sadar. I trust them more than the nurseries. However, they sell other additives like Biovita (which I bought, this is for Barium, magneium etc) and Chaudhari brand Okhla khaad, which looks like muddy powder with small mud pebbles (pardon my description). When you smell it, you'll get the smell of mud which had been dried. Not sure. But my society gardener says this Okhla mud is good.

 

Even better is the dried old cow dung manure khaad which you get in some delhi nurseries. You get a 20 kg sack for 100 bucks or so. That's rich in nutrients.

 

Not sure if all this makes sense or I am just completely confused, but I would want to try my hands on this delhi stuff once.

Let me know if you know otherwise.

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Hi Ramnath & Snorkel4u,

 

Though a late reply, just can't resist to share my experience with you.

After using so many bags of these "so called compost / vermi compost" which nurseries usually sell, I didn't observe much change in my plants. After all this experiment I have simply started preparing compost at home with the kitchen waste. And I must tell you it had a magical impact on all my plants.

I had Vinka which was flowering average. after adding my homemade compost its a blast of flowers. I am also growing bottle guard and bitter guard in containers and using the same compost and my plants are showing enough growth. I have also purchased a bag full of cow dung manure which I add periodically. the is another best alternate of compost. 

You guys can also try for a homemade compost.

 

Also I need a help from you - I stay in Dwarka New Delhi close to Gurgaon. can you plz suggest a good gardening store / nursery from where i can buy quality seeds / pots/ containers etc. I don't find any such shop / store here in Dwarka. I have head of a big nursery at Kapashera . Not sure how big it is as never been thr?

 

I will post some pics of my plants to share with you.

 

Regards..

Viny

 


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Hi Viny, 

 

Great to hear you second my opinion that the commercially sold vermicompost is waste. 

Now, what I and every one else on this forum would be keen to know is, how are you creating your own compost from Kitchen Waste. 

- What container do you use?

- Do you use water or just air?

- Does it smells?

- Can it be done in apartments?

- How much time it takes to get one lot prepared from scratch?

- what all you put in the compost?

 

I think these will be enough for now... more coming later...

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Hi Viny,

 

good to hear that i hav company in dwarka...Smile

and regarding home composting..pls do explain...

i intend to give it a try...

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Viny... we're waiting for your answers 🙂

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 Hi snorkel4u & Aahuti,

What container do you use? ( I use the 5 lt. container of the floor cleaner. After using the floor cleaner I remove the top with the help of a sharp knife and wash it several times to ensure it is fully clean and then leave it in direct sunlight for two days. I punch it with a sharp object on its wall and bottom to make at least 8 to 10 small holes which help in controlled ventilation. you have to cover the container all the time with a plastic plate or a piece of  wooden ply etc. I keep all my containers one on another and have a tower of it..  simple 😉

- Do you use water or just air? ( to start with a new container I spread a layer of soil first which works as a base for the veg peals and other waste. after each layer of 2-3 inches of waste I sprinkle some soil. in summers if it looks dry i sprinkle a little water to ensure the container has some moisture inside it, but not too much else it would become soggy)

- Does it smells? ( It does not smell unless you use watery content such as cucumber / potato (whole fruit not the peals) or any vegetable which contains water. Also plz avoid using dairy products, it create very foul smell. At any point in time if you find your compost creating foul smell or you find too much water inside the container, you can add some newspaper to it. This is the brown stuff which gives balance to your green stuff and soon the foul smell goes off.)

- Can it be done in apartments? ( i am staying in an apartment and doing it successfully)

- How much time it takes to get one lot prepared from scratch? ( for a fresh container of 5 lt. it takes 30 days to 40 days. you can have more then one container so that once you use the first one the another will be ready a couple of days after it.)

- what all you put in the compost? (all vegetable peels / egg shells / tea after washing off its sugar content/ dried leafs of my other plants etc. but no watery content and dairy products as I had very bad experience with them.)

 

Hope this would help you all to start.. any more queries are most welcome..

Aside to Aahuti: Good to know that you are in Dwarka. I am in sector -5.  Keep in touch.

 

Have a colorful gardening

Viny

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Thanks viny,

Thats a very informative post. The way you've written, it seems even simpler.

Few questions -

- The holes you make on the sides and bottom, are they all the way till the top of the container too?

- Once you have done all the layering, do you stir the contents anytime for better aeration? Or it just sits like a layered cake till its ready?

- And I believe this is a form of composting without any earthworms right? Is this one faster or its faster with the earthworms? Advantage here is, there's no time and effort needed for harvesting/ segregating the worms from the compost if it was done using worms.

- Do you set the entire jar in one go or you keep adding compost and soil as and when you get time?

 

You know what would be awesome? Some pictures....of your setup and the final product.Hope thats not asking too much

Also, please tell us what wonders has this compost shown in your garden?

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Hi Snorkel4u,

 

The holes you make on the sides and bottom, are they all the way till the top of the container too? (you can punch anywhere you wish. I did 4-5 in the bottom and around 4 with equal gap on four sides of the walls.)

- Once you have done all the layering, do you stir the contents anytime for better aeration? Or it just sits like a layered cake till its ready? ( It is suggested to stir it periodically. but somehow I don't do that often. (a little messy work so I kind of don't like doing it Yell) I usually do it twice in a period of 30 to 40 days.

- And I believe this is a form of composting without any earthworms right? Is this one faster or its faster with the earthworms? Advantage here is, there's no time and effort needed for harvesting/ segregating the worms from the compost if it was done using worms. ( yes. its composting with no earthworms at all. I am not sure which one is faster as i have never tried with earthworms.)

- Do you set the entire jar in one go or you keep adding compost and soil as and when you get time? ( Its difficult to set the jar in one go as you get the waste on a daily basis. I keep on dumping the waste everyday and add the soil periodically / as and when required.)

 

This is the easiest way to prepare compost from the scrap of your kitchen and the best part is, its all natural and organic. And the top of it – this is very a constructive way of keeping our surroundings clean. I will post some pics of "my home made compost system "but for that you all have to wait till this weekend. I have bitter gourd, bottle gourd, reddish growing in containers all with this home made compost and they are doing good. I am also planning to grow some floers for the winter season.

And yes.. Snorkel4u,Cry you have not helped me on my queries mentioned in my first post. will wait for your reply on those points Smile

Have a colorful gardening.

Viny  (you can read me on http://kaivizdreamzone.blogspot.in)

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Hi Viny,  thanks for the detailed home compost preparing steps. Have to stop using the commercial compost now.

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I bought pots and planters from two places:

 

1. Sadar Bazaar Subzi mandi in gurgaon – there are a couple of shops there.

2. The roadside vendors in MG road, before qutub minar on the left when to travel from gurgaon. There you will find pots, tubs, hanging baskets, railing planters, stands etc.

 

Seeds

1. There are some sellers in ebay selling plenty of seeds

 

viny said:

Also I need a help from you – I stay in Dwarka New Delhi close to Gurgaon. can you plz suggest a good gardening store / nursery from where i can buy quality seeds / pots/ containers etc. I don't find any such shop / store here in Dwarka. I have head of a big nursery at Kapashera . Not sure how big it is as never been thr?

 


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hi viny

 

hi..i stay in shakuntalum apts sec 10..just opposite sec 6 market...

pls do drop in some time..wud b grt to catch up with u ..

will give a shot to home composting as u said...

i do not hav much space in my apartment..but am trying:-)

i hav planted couple of veggies..doing it for thr first time and it's really so relaxing and entertaining...

me and my friend...we compete...and really enjoy it!

 

and regarding pots..u can get earthen pots under palam flyover...else...MG road is best for plastic ones..but bargaining has a important role to play there...

and regarding seeds...can share some...:-)

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Also I need a help from you – I stay in Dwarka New Delhi close to Gurgaon. can you plz suggest a good gardening store / nursery from where i can buy quality seeds / pots/ containers etc. I don't find any such shop / store here in Dwarka. I have head of a big nursery at Kapashera . Not sure how big it is as never been thr?

 

My bad – I was apparently selfish on my part. Anyways, here's what I was able to gather. I used to stay in Sec 21 Gurgaon, very close to Kapashera border, but those days I was far from gardening (I am talking about 3 years back). I never found any nurseries in Kapashera, but again I never looked around. You can try asking your society gardeners about nurseries and they might help you.

Like Ramnath I also buy my supplies from Sadar, that's the cheapest I have found.

 

A little help from google lead me to these results. You can try calling them and see if your needs are available here….

 

M K Nursery – NR Bamnoli Stand, Sec 28, Dwarka, Delhi – 11007, 9871426833

Skg Traders Pvt Ltd – F-4 ,Plot No -61, Sec-20,NR Metro Station, Dwarka Sector-20, Delhi – 110075 09810123406

 

Bandhu Nursery – Bharat Petroleum, Ram Jori Mandir, Dwarka, Sector-1, Palam, Palam Colony, Delhi – 110045 – 9811396324

 

Paradise Nursery – Opp N K Plaza, Palam Vihar RD Bijwasan, Palam Colony, Delhi – 110045 | Call: +(91)-9818772428

This could be the one in KapaShera you were talking about….

Balaji Beej Bhandar- Shop No 8, Police Station,Kapashera Chowk, kapashera, Delhi – 110037 011-25064951   

 

Hope this helps.

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